Red Light Cameras - Davis Wiki

Close=20 up of the camera box at 1st and E

Red Light Cameras are automated traffic = safety devices=20 that record video and/or take pictures when a vehicle has entered an intersection=20 on a red light. The photos and video are then reviewed by a police officer and a citation = is sent in=20 the mail to the driver.

The penalty is $370 and a point on one's driving record. The = monetary=20 fine has been raised numerous times by the state since Red-Light Cameras = became=20 legal in California.

In order to be cited, one must cross the intersection's limit = line=20 while the signal is red. California law requires a clear picture of the = driver=20 and license plate in order to be fined. This photo must also match the = picture=20 on the driver's license of the vehicle's registered owner. Due to these = facts,=20 not every violation results in a citation. California's legislation = requires a=20 clear photo of the driver in order to issue a fine and add a point to = your=20 driving record as a moving violation. Red-light running is a very = serious=20 traffic violation because T-bone crashes are among the most dangerous = types of=20 crashes, occurring on the side of a vehicle with little protection for=20 passengers during a crash.

Cameras=20 in Davis
Success=20 of Red Light Camera Programs
Controversy

Avoiding=20 Fines

Conclusion

Further=20 Reading

Brief=20 = Aside

Cameras in Davis

Around or before December 12th, 2005, the City of Davis began = monitoring red=20 light violations using video cameras at the following intersections:

New=20 warning sign at 1st and E Streets

Eastbound Russell Blvd at Sycamore=20 Ln. (Central Davis) =
Westbound First St. at E St. =97 The = Worst=20 intersection in Davis
Northbound Pole Line Rd. at Fifth = St. (East = Davis)=20
Eastbound Chiles Rd. at Mace=20 Blvd. (South Davis) =

There were over 50 warnings sent out in just the first two = weeks of=20 the grace period, all caught by only two (of the four that will be = active)=20 cameras. The city has entered a contract with 3D[WWW]=20 Nestor Traffic Systems in which the city will pay no more = than a=20 flat fee or what the cameras actually collect, whichever is less.

The cameras on Russell and First went live around Dec. 13, = and 30 days=20 after will be a grace period, in which violators will only receive a = photo in=20 the mail and will not be fined for the violation. The cameras on Chiles = and Pole=20 Line went live in mid-January 2006.

Today's traffic cameras can detect vehicle speeds, but their = use by=20 Davis Public=20 Works remains a mystery. Loop detectors buried in the ground can = also be=20 used to measure the speed of red-light runners. The traffic cameras = installed in=20 Davis are 100% directional, which means if you are going any other = direction=20 then the camera does not track you.

Bicyclists can not be cited using Red Light Cameras because = there is=20 no legislation permitting cities to do so as well as the fact that = cameras can=20 not easily see the registration stickers on a bike.

Apparently, violation video footage will be available on the = Internet=20 for review. The URL for the footage is not yet known.

Success of Red Light Camera Programs

Camera=20 set-up in front of the Natsoulas Gallery at = 1st and=20 E=20

Many municipalities have had different experiences with red = light=20 cameras. Cities such as Washington DC saw an increase in accidents. This = was=20 attributed to a short yellow light that creates a "dilemma zone," making = it=20 difficult for a vehicle to clear an intersection safely. If a motorist = is=20 traveling inside this dilemma zone while approaching the intersection, = he must=20 either proceed through the intersection on a red light or brake very = suddenly,=20 possibly entering the intersection on the red. Rear-end collisions may = also rise=20 as more vehicles screech to a halt to avoid getting a violation. = Washington DC=20 also issued false citations, causing doubt in citizens' minds whether = the=20 cameras were reliable.

The city of Fresno had to shelve its program because their = cameras=20 were not taking clear photos of the drivers. The city also wasn't making = enough=20 money on the program to justify the continuation of the program.

On the other hand, cities such as San Francisco have had a = positive=20 experience with red-light cameras. They report that accidents are down = and that=20 there is a positive "spillover effect" to neighboring intersections = where the=20 cameras were installed. They have also withstood many legal challenges = in court.=20

Recently, many cities in California have shut down their red = light=20 cameras. The main reason was that the cameras were not cost effective. = Cities=20 were losing money to the state, the company that runs the cameras, = people not=20 paying the fines, and an increased number of drivers fighting their = tickets in=20 court. Cities getting rid of their red light cameras include Loma Linda = CA, and=20 Whittier CA. A study in San Diego showed that the city is currently = losing money=20 on the cameras as only 23% of the tickets generated by the system = actually get=20 paid. The city has no intention on shutting down the system because = accidents=20 declined by 32% in the intersections where the cameras were operating. =

Controversy

The=20 flash strobes and a couple cameras on a pole by Holiday = Cinema at=20 1st and E=20

Red light camera programs around the nation have generated a = lot of=20 controversy. Many feel the cameras are an invasion of privacy and are = another=20 means for "Big Brother" to spy on citizens and control their lives. Red = light=20 cameras represent yet another small step towards complete control of our = daily=20 lives by the government. What could be next? Automated speed = enforcement?

The cameras are also seen as a revenue generator that is = merely=20 disguised as a traffic safety tool. While some cities may be making a = lot of=20 money, other municipalities report receiving very little revenue from = their=20 programs, breaking even or even losing money. About 40 to 50% of the = cost of a=20 ticket goes to the State of California.

Alternatives to red light cameras include enforcing current = traffic=20 safety laws instead of investing in costly camera programs which may or = may not=20 increase traffic safety and city coffers. Money could also be better = spent on=20 more police officers to roam the city instead of stationary cameras = positioned=20 at a few intersections.

However, others feel that there is no excuse for running a = red light=20 because red-light runners are rarely caught and are putting other = motorists'=20 lives at risk.

It should be noted that experiments have been tried = successfully with=20 no traffic lights as well, and some see traffic cameras as a step in the = wrong=20 direction for certain intersections (see the experiment: 3D[WWW]=20 http://www.wimp.com/trafficlights/).

In addition, several citizens have concerns over the strobe = lights=20 that flash to take photos when a red-light violation has occurred. The = flash may=20 be too bright, blinding motorists for a split second and causing a major = accident. However, the flash may be just short enough to take a good = photo of=20 the driver and license plate. The flash may surprise motorists, but not = blind=20 them.

Also several motorists have falsely been photographed for = making legal=20 rights against the red.

Avoiding Fines

Some citizens have been so frustrated with red-light cameras = that they=20 have bought special sprays that prevent your license plate from being=20 photographed. The spray reflects the flash back to the camera so that = your=20 license plate gets whited-out in the photo. The spray is invisible to = the naked=20 eye and was completely legal until December 31, 2007.

A new California law took effect on January 1, 2008. AB 801 = makes it=20 illegal to sell or use a product (spray coating) that obstructs or = impairs the=20 recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by = police or=20 toll authority. The fine for using a product to obscure a license plate = is=20 approximately $146, and the fine for selling such a product is = approximately=20 $900.

Conclusion

The success of a red-light camera program hinges on whether = the=20 program is able to perform down to the exact letter of the law so the = program is=20 able to hold up in court. Cities such as Fresno and Washington DC were=20 unsuccessful because of problems such as wrongful citations, unclear = photos and=20 short yellow lights. These problems caused the citizens to challenge the = camera=20 program in court.

It is also important that municipalities treat red-light = cameras as a=20 traffic safety device rather than a revenue generator. Citizens will be = much=20 more accepting of the cameras if they know the program isn't just a = scheme to=20 squeeze money out of motorists. This can easily be avoided if revenues = from the=20 program are used solely for purposes such as increasing traffic safety = or=20 funding local schools. Even if the cameras do not generate money, they = may be=20 worth it to deter motorists from running red lights.

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In my opinion red light cameras are absolutely ridiculous. = The key=20 principle of our legal system is that every defendant has the right to = face his=20 or her accuser in court. If a witness points you out as commiting an = illegal=20 act, you are allowed to question, interogate, ect. the witness when you = are on=20 trial. how can you do this with the camera. If the camera had a = technical=20 problem you will be unjustly ticketed. There is no way of knowing if the = camera=20 is right, since the camera cant talk. In my opinion if the camera does = not=20 physically present itself at trial you should automatically win (just = like when=20 the cop doesnt show). Joking aside, what happens when someone else who = looks=20 similar to you is driving your car? I personally have a twin who drives = the car=20 all the time. Also, what happens if the car is registered to two = different=20 people who look similar, who do they send the ticket to?=97MattHh

I've been issued a red-light camera ticket in San = Francisco for a=20 violation that occurred when someone else was driving my car. On the = form they=20 have a blank to specify who was driving your car if it wasn't you. In = my case,=20 the driver of my vehicle was happy to take responsibility, but it = didn't seem=20 fair that I should be doing law enforcement's job=97 i.e., figuring = out who=20 broke the law when they can't. The proposition that I get stuck with a = red=20 light ticket unless I identify the driver of my vehicle sort of flies = in the=20 face of how our legal system is supposed to work. The fact that I can = disprove=20 their accusation =97 that I was not the person driving my car ("it = doesn't even=20 look like me") should be sufficient. =97jr

Depends what red light company they are from. If it's = Redflex, then=20 redlight runners are SCREWED. They use videotape and photos of front and = back.=20 The video also allows them to see if there were extenuating = circumstances, such=20 as the offender being tailgated. =96 ApolloStumpy

At what point in the red-light running does the camera = issue a=20 citation? Do you have to be completely out of the intersection before = it turns=20 red?

It's a myth that you're safe if your front tires cross = the line.=20 So yeah, if any part of your car is in the intersection when it's = red, that=20 would be bad. From what I see in Apollo's comment above, the Redflex = cameras=20 take photos and video. I bet if they say they caught you, = they most=20 probably did. And they also send the photos to you. You could = contest it,=20 but it's a hard case to make I've heard. Unless you can complain = about=20 tailgating or something (which Apollo mentioned won't work with = Reflex).=20
Actually, my understanding is that if the front bumper = of your car=20 is over the limit line (or first line of the crosswalk) before the = light=20 goes red, it's legal for you to proceed on through. The law states = that "A=20 driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a = marked=20 limit line." If I have already crossed that line when facing a = steady=20 circular green or yellow signal, then it is a logical impossibility = for me=20 to stop at the line when faced with the red. -MattJurach =
I learned when i got my commercial drivers license that = is also=20 depends on your speed. If you are going under the speed limit when = you enter=20 the intersection then you are alright. Yellow means slow down and = prepare to=20 stop. So if have crossed the line when the light turns red and are = going=20 below the speed limit, then you are abiding the law. The problem is = that=20 most people accelerate when they see a yellow light, thus being in = violation=20 when they enter the intersection. Supposedly a lot of redlight = cameras also=20 record your speed. -BrianSolecki=20
California Vehicle Code section 21452(a) indicates that = the=20 significance of a yellow light is merely to warn that a red light = will=20 follow. Nowhere does it say that you cannot enter an interesection. = Provided=20 that the front of the vehicle has entered the intersection before = the light=20 turned red, one has not broken the law at all. There is no reason to = speed=20 up, because your only concern (besides safety) should be that you = were=20 legally entering the intersection (which you can do on a yellow). = This is=20 the same reason that cars turning left=97but unable to, due to = oncoming=20 traffic=97are allowed to remain in the intersection so they can turn = even=20 though their light turns red. So feel proud to enter an intersection = on a=20 yellow. As Jevan elsewhere on the wiki pointed out, the DMV says, = "When you=20 see the yellow light, stop if you can do so safely. If you can=92t = stop=20 safely, enter the intersection cautiously." -jr =

2006-04-06 15:13:43 Some of these red-light = cameras=20 are so close to the ground that you could knock them off the pole with a = 2x4.=20 Just an observation. =97MichaelGiardina =

2006-04-07 16:44:27 <= IMG=20 class=3Dborderless alt=3D[WWW]=20 src=3D"http://wikispot.org/wiki/eggheadbeta/img/sycamore-www.png" = width=3D13=20 height=3D7>An article that contains all you need to know on red light = cameras.=20

Basically, (at least in Sacramento County) = there are=20 two coils in the roadway that activate .02 seconds after the light turns = red.=20 You have to cross both for a citation. Each time you cross the coil, it = triggers=20 the camera to take a photo showing your car at the intersection when the = light=20 was red and in the middle of the intersection as well, shoring up your=20 violation. Red light cameras are a goddamn embarrasment for money hungry = cities=20 and counties looking to make a buch while flagrantly violating one's due = process=20 at the same time. I don't want to get into the legal sermon now, but any = witness=20 testifying at a criminal trial (which traffic court is) needs to have = first hand=20 knowledge of the incident in question. Some pig from the CHP who got = some blurry=20 photos plopped on his desk does not count. =97StanOklobdzija =

2006-04-07 18:53:06 What if you cross them = on your=20 bike when the light is red? I've done that countless times. =97JjDeng

As far as I know, bicycles are treated the same as other=20 vehicles... but it's not like the cameras will be able to see your = license=20 number, if your bike is even registered. Who would they send the = ticket to?=20 =97BrentLaabs =
i doubt the camera photographs the bike lane since if = that were the=20 case every car making a right against the red would be ticketed. =97MattHh=20
I'm sure they can see you, but as for tickets, I should = have gotten=20 at least 25 by now. =97TusharRawat =

$370 * 25 =3D $9,250 =97MatthewLow=20

2006-04-08 14:18:10 The thing I always = wondered is if=20 these increase accidents from people stopping when they shouldn't at an=20 intersection (like when the green turns yellow and they slam the brakes = not to=20 get a ticket). =97RohiniJasavala =

I know I'm braking faster when it turns yellow so people = might=20 rear-end me if they're expecting me to go through the light. I'm = actually=20 relieved that I come to a red light at a red light intersection. =97LoriTobias =
I put the brakes on when the light turns yellow and then = it's my=20 fault that you run into me because you're following too closely or not = paying=20 attention? PLEASE! Try telling that to the judge - or your insurance = company.=20 Good luck! PaulThober =

2006-04-10 20:02:16 Does anyone know what = the camera=20 looking things on top of the lights at the intersection for Sutter = Hospital are=20 for? I thought they were redlight cameras, I guess not. =97ZacMorris=20

I think you might be talking about the little sensors = that=20 ambulances and fire trucks use to change the lights as they approach. = These=20 sensors are much smaller than the cameras.

2006-04-12 16:25:28 From a bus driver... = Okay, so=20 here's the deal. If you cross the limit line, imaginary or painted, = before the=20 light goes red, you have the right-of-way in the intersection. This is = why you=20 are told to eke out into the intersection when you have a = yield-left-on-green.=20 That way, when the light goes yellow, you can still make the turn = without=20 waiting for the next cycle. You could sit and have a tea party (not = recommended)=20 and it'd be your right-of-way. When it's not: if you are one of those = people who=20 feels compelled to go through an intersection, green or yellow, without = making=20 sure you can go all the way through. (I personally hate those people = since they=20 block all kinds of traffic just to sit with their butt in the way, grr.) = On that=20 note, be nice to buses. We are 40' long, a kajillion tons, and can kick = your=20 ass; we're just opting not to. haha =97JulieEickhof

2006-08-24 15:40:48 so does that camera = light at=20 sycamore and fifth actually catch you when you do that whole "no right = turn on=20 red?" =97StacyWong

2006-10-01 00:00:48 Has any one been = ticketed on=20 sycamore and fifth when you do that whole "no right turn on red?" =97ChrisBrown

2006-10-01 10:27:03 I went to Kragen = yesterday and=20 they told me the license plate spray that reflects the red light camera = flash is=20 now illegal. =97EmmyMelton

2006-10-01 19:22:43 StacyWong- Did you ever = get a=20 ticket for that violation? I turned right on sycamore and rusell when = the no=20 right turn on the bike light turned on all of a sudden...I didn't see a = flash=20 though, is the flash obvious??? =97ChrisBrown

2009-01-09 15:37:41 anyone know if there = are red=20 light cameras at pole line and cowell? they are some sort of camera, = maybe=20 emergency vehicle sensor but they face all directions =97joeh =

2009-03-11 01:30:49 I used to see flashes = going off=20 when people driving through the intersection in front of Borders (1st = and=20 Richards)ran red lights. I no longer see this. Perhaps they have stopped = using=20 the cameras, or perhaps I just haven't been around when people were = driving=20 through a red light (perhaps the population of Davis learned not to do = that, so=20 it is now a rare event?) Anyone know? =97IDoNotExist

2009-07-20 23:25:16 I've had the light = flash me when=20 the light was green but not wearing my seatbelt. Can davis police use = these cams=20 to issue seatbelt tickets. Its happened twice im thinking its not by = chance. Im=20 just curious. =97crich

It=20 is under primary enforcement in California. No idea if they would = try to=20 use them, but they can. Wearing your seatbelt is a good idea for other = reasons; a ticket is far cheaper than the loss of earning power = because you=20 are missing limbs or are otherwise physically or mentally handicapped = due to=20 injury. =97jw

2009-07-21 12:39:58 Anyone have any = statistical data?=20 It'd be nice to add it to the page. I remember about a year after these = cameras=20 were put in, there was an aggie article about them, with the numbers of = how many=20 citations were mailed out. A pretty hefty amount, iirc. And were any of = the=20 original fears when these were first put in about rising accident rates = at these=20 intersections turn out to be even remotely valid? =97EdWins

2009-07-21 15:58:29 At the Sycamore/Russell = intersection, I "accidently" went when the *green* bike signal went on, = I was=20 turning left from Sycamore to Russell. I didn't see a flash or anything, = hoping=20 I don't get a ticket. I guess I just wasn't paying attention and just = saw the=20 color green and started going. Any ideas? =97mperkel

2009-07-21 16:04:02 My friend got ticketed = at the=20 First Street light for turning right. He had to basically pay the = ticket, then=20 go to court to have the ticket thrown out and have his money returned. = =97JoePomidor

2009-07-21 16:41:51 A similar thing = happened to me at=20 that same intersection, mperkel. I wasn't paying attention and when I = saw the=20 light change to green for the people turning onto Russell, I stupidly = drove=20 through the intersection. I felt awful about it and I'm glad I didn't = cause an=20 accident. I did however see a flash and knew I was going to get a = ticket. Three=20 months went by and I hadn't received anything in the mail so I called = the police=20 department. I was told that I most likely lucked out and was promptly = told not=20 to do it again. I would check to see if your license and car are = registered with=20 your current address. You can always call the police department like I = did to=20 see if there are any outstanding citations. =97EmmyMelton

2009-08-04 18:30:13 I accidentally turned = right at=20 Russell and Sycamore when the no right turn on red went on all of the = sudden, i=20 didn't see the flash tho, just wondering if anyone has been ticketed for = that=20 before.

=97Greenfriedrice=20

2009-10-04 15:49:52 So the directions such = as=20 eastbound indicate only one RLC aimed only in that direction? =97RicardoSanchez =

2009-10-04 15:52:27 If it's only a single = RLC most of=20 those making rights while performing a California stop or going even = though=20 there's a sign saying not to should be safe. =97RicardoSanchez =

2010-05-05 11:32:14 I recently fought a red = light=20 camera ticket and won. I was photographed by the 2nd and E st camera. I = was=20 shocked when I received the fine, $505, including traffic school. I = decided to=20 fight the ticket and requested trial by mail. I did my research and = submitted a=20 "not guilty" plea, based on hearsay evidence, and asked that the case be = dismissed. I maintained that the officer was not present at the alleged = offense,=20 and was not present during the set-up, testing, operation or = verification and=20 validation of the system. A few weeks later I received a notice that the = officer=20 requested the case be dismissed and my bail was to be returned. If I had = been=20 found guilty, I planned to ask for a trial de novo, and if guilty there, = I=20 planned to appeal the verdict. They were going to have to work for my = $505. My=20 guess is it was too much work to actually prove the case and they = decided to go=20 after the other suckers that roll over and pay the money. =97AllenJones

2010-08-15 16:04:52 Hey Allen, how did you = request a=20 trial by mail? Was it on the bail sheet where you can check "Trial by=20 Declaration"? =97Blaine

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